Monday, December 08, 2025

DSL - Domain specific language from chatgpt

 

๐Ÿงฉ What a DSL actually is

A Domain-Specific Language (DSL) is:

  • Specialized: built for one domain (e.g., GPU kernels, ML ops, hardware verification, SQL for databases, Verilog for chips, HTML for markup).

  • Higher-level than writing raw kernels or assembly.

  • Designed to let developers write small, compact code that compiles down to extremely optimized low-level instructions.

GPU-kernel DSL examples

  • Triton (for writing high-performance GPU kernels in Python-like syntax)

  • TVM (tensor compiler DSL)

  • Halide (image processing pipelines)

  • CUDA C++ (not exactly a DSL but domain-specific)

These DSLs exist because raw CUDA/HIP/PTX/ISA is too low-level and optimizing by hand is time-consuming.


๐Ÿงจ Why people are saying “It’s not about the next DSL”

The context of the tweet you quoted:

"You're probably not ready for how dramatically the world of GPU kernel engineering will change in the next 12 months.
It's not about the next DSL. @makora_ai is generating SOTA kernels automatically. @AIatAMD GPUs running MLA twice as fast as H100…”

What this implies:

1️⃣ The old world:

  • Humans write kernels by hand

  • Or humans write DSL code (Triton/Halide/etc.)

  • Performance tuning is manual: block sizes, tiling, memory coalescing, scheduling, vectorization, warp patterns, bank-conflict avoidance, etc.

2️⃣ The new world they are predicting:

  • AI-generated kernels outperform hand-written or DSL-written kernels

  • The AI does:

    • Tiling strategies

    • Warp scheduling

    • Shared memory optimization

    • Loop unrolling

    • Prefetching

    • Vectorization

    • Architecture-specific MLIR lowering

    • Autotuning

Essentially:
๐Ÿ‘‰ The AI becomes the DSL.
๐Ÿ‘‰ The human doesn’t need to write kernels at all.

This is similar to what happened in compilers, but far more powerful: the model learns to produce SOTA kernels through gradient-free optimization, search, or reinforcement.

Makora, Sakana AI, Modular, and others are exploring this.


๐Ÿง  So why “It’s not about the next DSL”?

Because DSLs are a bridge between “human-friendly code” and “hardware-friendly code.”

If AI can:

  • Read high-level descriptions

  • Autogenerate the optimal kernel

  • Autotune across GPU architectures

  • Validate correctness

  • Benchmark and refine recursively

…then humans no longer need to write DSL code.
This is the same argument people are making about AI replacing shader languages, query languages, even CUDA in the long run.


๐Ÿš€ What the AMD MLA comparison means

When they mention:

“AMD MLA running twice as fast as H100 across sizes below”

This is referencing benchmark graphs where AMD’s Mixed-Precision Matrix (MLA) architecture + AI-generated kernels achieve dramatically better throughput on certain batch sizes than NVIDIA H100 using standard libraries.

Not because the hardware is inherently 2× faster, but because:

  • Handwritten/H100 kernels stagnate (NVIDIA keeps things locked behind cuBLAS/cuDNN)

  • AI-generated kernels exploit architecture-specific tricks on AMD that humans never wrote

This is part of the narrative that AI-discovered kernels will unlock latent performance.


๐Ÿงฉ Summary you can copy-paste

DSL (Domain-Specific Language) is a small programming language specialized for a narrow task—like writing GPU kernels.

The point of the tweet is:
Future GPU performance won’t come from humans writing new DSLs. It will come from AI agents that automatically generate and autotune kernels that outperform hand-coded or DSL-coded ones. The DSL layer becomes unnecessary.


If you want, I can also explain:

  • How these AI kernel-generators work internally

  • Why recursive refinement/search/autotuning is the real bottleneck

  • How this relates to your earlier question about “why it takes time to get it right”

  • What this means for NVIDIA, AMD, and future ML compilers

Just tell me which direction you want to explore.

You said:
is this related to LLM doing a task efficiently or quicker.
ChatGPT said:

Yes — it is related, but indirectly.
AI-generated GPU kernels are an example of LLMs + agents + search doing a task more efficiently and more quickly than a human could. But the mechanism is not “LLM → output once → fast result.”
It’s actually:

LLM + recursive refinement + performance search + autotuning = dramatically faster/more efficient kernels in the end.

So the end result is fast, but the process may still be slow, iterative, and compute-intensive.

Let me break it down so it’s very clear:


๐Ÿง  1. What you're asking:

You're asking whether the new trend (Makora, Sakana AI, "AI discovers kernels", etc.) is basically about…

  • LLMs becoming faster at tasks?

  • LLMs producing correct outputs more efficiently?

  • Recursive refilling / multi-pass reasoning making LLMs faster?

  • Or something deeper?

Answer: It’s deeper.
This is about using LLMs as search engines over code space.


⚙️ 2. Why AI-generated kernels feel like “LLMs working quickly”

Even though the process is heavy, the results are:

  • Faster kernels (run blazingly fast)

  • More optimized than human or DSL code

  • Produced with far less human engineering time

So yes:

The AI is making the workflow quicker and the output more efficient, even if the LLM itself isn’t “thinking faster.”

But here's the key nuance most people miss:


๐Ÿ” 3. The LLM is not doing it in one shot

These systems use LLMs as part of a pipeline like this:

The kernel generation pipeline:

  1. LLM proposes candidate kernel

  2. Compile kernel

  3. Benchmark it on real hardware

  4. Measure FLOPs, latency, memory bottlenecks

  5. Feed performance data back to the LLM

  6. LLM proposes improved version

  7. Repeat hundreds or thousands of times

This is recursive
This is search
This is autotuning
This is model-guided optimization

So the process is long, but automated.

Humans would take days→weeks to achieve what the AI discovers in hours.


๐Ÿงฉ 4. How this relates to your earlier topic:

“Why does it take time to get answers right from a model?”

This is exactly the same phenomenon described in several papers:

๐Ÿ”ธ Models do not reliably solve complex tasks in one shot

This is why:

  • chain-of-thought

  • self verification

  • multi-sample self-consistency

  • tool use

  • search

  • reflection

  • recursive refinement

…have become the dominant approaches.

You already saw papers showing:

  • Recursive processes reduce accuracy if done wrong

  • Multiple passes increase correctness

  • Search + verification beats single-shot LLM outputs

The GPU kernel example is the engineering manifestation of the same idea:

Complex tasks require iterative improvement, not single-shot LLM answers.


⚡ 5. So is this about “LLM doing the task more efficiently”?

✔️ Yes, at the task level

They produce insanely optimized kernels faster than humans.

❌ No, at the model-thinking level

The LLM is not magically smarter or faster internally.
It is part of a pipeline that:

  • generates candidates

  • tests them

  • refines them recursively

  • uses feedback loops

  • converges on the best solution

This is a meta-algorithm, not a single LLM capability.


๐Ÿง  6. Key point:

The breakthrough is not that LLMs are “efficient thinkers.”
The breakthrough is that LLMs can drive a search process that efficiently discovers superhuman solutions.

This is the pattern emerging in:

  • GPU kernel generation

  • circuit layout

  • protein design

  • RL-powered LLM agents

  • compiler autotuning

  • reasoning tasks

  • synthetic data generation

  • proof optimization

In every domain, the LLM is not replacing the expert —
it’s replacing the entire exploration and optimization cycle.


๐Ÿ“ TL;DR answer you can use:

AI-discovered GPU kernels are related to LLMs doing tasks “more efficiently,” but not because the LLM is fast in one shot. The efficiency comes from using LLMs inside a recursive, feedback-driven search pipeline that automatically explores thousands of kernel variants. The speed and quality of the final result comes from this optimization loop — not from the LLM itself being inherently faster.


If you want, I can also explain:

  • Why this recursive-search pattern is becoming universal in all strong AI systems

  • What problems it solves (and why your ChipAgents experience matches it)

  • How you can describe this in research language (distributional shift, optimization landscapes, model collapse, etc.)